Fr. Altamira 2016: Concerns re Bp. Williamson

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Fr. Altamira 2016: Concerns re Bp. Williamson - Stone - 05-03-2024

While we sadly note that Fr. Altamira, since the writing of these letters has since been 'consecrated' a bishop in the Thuc line (which is considered doubtful), the content has been repeated by others over the years regarding the confusion and concerns about what Bp. Williamson publicly writes and speaks of regarding the Conciliar Church and New Mass and New Mass 'Miracles.'

The Catacombs has repeatedly echoed the good priests who have not been afraid to warn against the errors promoted by Bp. Williamson on these topics as they are an acceptance of error. Indeed, we have quoted the 'traditional' words of Bp. Williamson condemning the New Mass many years ago and compared that to the 'new' Bp. Williamson allowing for it. And this change of orthodoxy has gone so far that Bp. Williamson refuses Holy Oils to priests who do not accept the New Mass 'miracles'. How low things have fallen!

We earnestly pray for a return to true tradition for all the bishops and priests who have compromised and thus have created an environment of confusion for souls.

The following links were forwarded to me by a good friend in Australia.

From TIA [adapted] | February 5, 2016

Editor Note: ... a reader sent TIA a recent letter by a priest of this split, Fr. Fernando Altamira, addressed to Bishop Jean-Marie Faure, the priest consecrated a bishop by Williamson in March 2015 in Brazil. The letter is self explanatory. It reveals that at least one split is taking place inside of the split. It is not a good sign. Our Lord warned us: “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined.” (Mt 12:25)

TIA reproduces this letter as we received it, without any changes, solely to provide information for our readers. We do not agree either with several points of its general lines, such as accepting as normal the “episcopal consecration” of Fr. Faure by Bishop Williamson, or with some particular views, such as accepting sede-vacantism as a well founded hypothesis.

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TIA,

I saw this posted on other forums and thought it would be interesting to share what one R&R [recognize and resist] priest has to say.

C.M.

Letter from Fr. Altamira to Bishop Faure

Dear Bishop Faure (cc. Bp. Williamson), dear Fathers,

Permit me to speak frankly to you: it seems to me that we are not showing ourselves to be honest, either with ourselves or with the faithful.

We are doing what Bishop Fellay does and we will provoke the same consequences. In the current situation of the crisis in the Church and the “crisis in the Resistance,” there is not a lot left and what is left is ill.

What’s more, our comrades who are still in the SSPX (priests and brothers), seeing the way we are, will never join us. One of them said: if we do something (against Bishop Fellay), we won’t come over to the Resistance.

Bishop Fellay and his group continue and will continue to laugh at us. The fact that we are the way we are is the best thing that could have happened to him.

On the subject of Bishop Williamson:

Some (four) have tried to defend Bishop Williamson and his words about the New Mass (USA, Eleison Comments, etc).

I have the impression that we are not showing ourselves to be honest: if Bishop Fellay had said those things, we would have criticised him roundly. But it’s Bishop Williamson who said them: “So let’s not say anything, we have to defend him.” Please excuse me if I speak frankly, but what we’re doing is shameful, we’re the laughing stock of the world.

Bishop Faure defends Bishop Williamson with insistence (in his declarations on his trip to Mexico, in emails, etc.)

Bishop Faure affirms that there is no error in the Eleison Comments, which is debatable.

It is more serious if one takes into consideration the words of Bishop Williamson in the USA (if anyone wants to listen to it again, here’s the link. I don’t approve of the mocking style, but the information is exact) I will merely remark that, from a moral point of view, what Bishop Williamson said to this lady is unacceptable.

Even more serious if one takes equally into consideration the other information concerning Bishop Williamson (the “Nazi” business, the reintegration into the apostolate of Fr. X, his words to several priests of the SSPX, etc.

Another argument of Bishop Faure to try to defend Bishop Williamson’s miracles in the New Mass is the fact that God can work outside the Catholic Church, and that God has made miracles among certain sacrileges.

But that’s a sophism since, if God permits a miracle, for example, in a false religion, from all evidence it doesn’t serve as a guarantee of what is false or evil, but will be against all that.

The same goes for a miracle in the case of a sacrilege, with hosts, it is always against the sacrilege, never in its favour.

However, the “miracles” put forth by Bishop Williamson clearly favour the new Mass, including the “fruits”: thus, the “great” national sanctuary in Poland… at the service of the false religion of the Council.

Dear colleagues: I believe that it is time to cease trying to look for arguments to defend what is indefensible. Otherwise, we could incur a divine curse. “The Eleison Comments and declarations in the USA are only ambiguous”: isn’t that funny: that’s exactly what Bishop Fellay does.

Dom Tomas said more or less the same thing to defend Bishop Williamson.

Fr. Cardozo has already written two articles against this subject of so-called miracles of the New Mass. [Here is one - The Catacombs]

And that’s without even getting to the subject of the risk of invalidity of the modern episcopacy and priesthood. On this subject, and quite logically, Bishop Williamson endorses the thesis of their validity.

And all this without forgetting the other problems which we have (re-read the letter “The same causes will produce the same effects”).

I imagine that you have already seen the abberant video of Francis about his intention for 2016 and the different religions:

Faced with the scandals and heresies of Francis:

1. Surrendering to False Rome. Bp. Fellay: I’m going to Rome. Bp. Williamson: I’m going to Rome. Bishop Faure: I’m going to Rome.

2. Agreement. Bp. Fellay: I want an agreement. Bp. Williamson: A canonical regularisation or a juridical status would be desirable, of course. Bp. Faure:…?

3. Francis. We criticise Bp. Fellay because, publicly, he doesn’t say anything, or almost, about Francis. Bp. Williamson: same thing. Bp. Faure: same thing.

4. We deny the theological and factual possibility of sedevacantism. And this, against good theology which speaks of the possibility. And we evoke the possibility of making sermons against sedevacantism, which is absurd: you can’t make sermons against facts which are possible.

5. Fr. Altamira is a sedevacantist. That’s not true: I pray for Francis, sub conditione. But I do not exclude nor put to one side colleagues who refuse to do so, be they in France or Spanish-speaking America. And even less so after such a video.

Dear colleagues: Permit me to share with you my opinion, in all simplicity: we need to change course. We are acting like Bp. Fellay and his group. He will destroy the SSPX. And we, we are doing the same to the Resistance, almost before it has been born (and the same goes for the USML).

“The interests of the group are more important than the truth, the priests of the Resistance who refuse are put to one side, isolated, marginalised, they find themselves alone.”

If we continue to act thus, the risk is great that God will leave us and withdraw his blessing. Pray God that some of you decide to act in the face of this situation, to resolve it.

I fraternally greet you in Jesus and Mary (Sunday 10th January)

Fr. Altamira

RE: Fr. Altamira 2016: Concerns re Bp. Williamson - Stone - 05-04-2024

The second link that was forwarded to me, taken from here:

16/03/2016

Rev. Father Altamira: The Situation of the Resistance
(Source) Google translation with some small corrections.
Slightly reformatted- The Catacombs

Dear faithful, I am writing this letter so we can be aware of "What is the situation of the so-called resistance?"

[1] Before the state of affairs in which we find ourselves (the empire of confusion, the damage upon parishioners, all priests fighting each other): The one responsible for all this is Bishop Williamson. I speak objectively; culpability will be judged by God.

We are the laughing stock of the world.

Even Bishop Fellay and his group "die of laughter because of us." Nothing better could have happened to him, because when we are so ridiculous and phonies (for the problems we have), no priest of the Society of St. Pius X (those who are thinking of breaking with Bp. Fellay) will want to come join us .

Faced with what has been caused by Bishop Williamson, we have: In the case of Bishop Faure, the future Bishop Dom Thomas, Father Trincado with his site Non Possumus, and other priests, to defend the "interest of the group" (interest of the political party), by compliance, or whatever, Bishop Williamson is defended and justified at all costs for the things he said and the things he has done. If Bp. Fellay had said or done these same things, those mentioned above would be "eating him alive." But it was Bishop Williamson! who said it, "ah, then let's not say anything, and defend him publicly."

We are not honest with ourselves nor with our faithful.

[2] In July from last year, 2015, I received information from Europe regarding Mons. Williamson.

It was said, among other things, Bishop Williamson was telling the priests of the SSPX not to leave the Society. "No, Father. It is impossible Bishop Williamson has been saying that." Is that really impossible? We answer: I can not express myself on these [specific] cases because I don't know these priests. But I do know some other case[s]: "The case of Father Altamira, Father Trincado and Bishop Faure".

In October 2012, Bishop Williamson was expelled from the Society of Saint Pius X. At that time, Bishop Williamson wrote me [and said] "in one week they'll expelled me from the Society of St. Pius X". I replied with a copy to Father Trincado and a copy to Father Faure: Bishop Williamson, when they expel you, I will publicly manifest; send your orders and we'll do something here. Father Trincado answered from Argentina: Me too. Monsignor Faure said: Me too. And who stopped us from doing it? The answer is: He who stopped us was Bishop Williamson.. Therefore, a year later, I took the step. I still had hopes on Bishop Williamson. Silly me!

In September last year (2015), I wrote a joint letter to Monsignor Faure, Father Pierre Marie (the Superior of the Dominicans in France) and Father Bruno (in charge of the priests of France), saying that if the things reported about Bishop Williamson were true, we had to do something! This letter is here attached [below].

[...]In another more recent letter, I wrote to the priests of the so-called Resistance, and told them: "If only half of all these things [the reports] were correct and true, the problem [with Bishop Williamson] is more serious than we think. "

[3] All this information is known by Bishop Faure and he has them. The future Bishop Dom Thomas (Brazil). Father Trincado (with his site Non Possumus) has them, and almost all priests of the so-called Resistance. Therefore it is inadmissible to continue defending Bishop Williamson publicly. We will explain a little more ahead.

All this shows how bad we are in the Resistance. We are not serious. We are the laughingstock before everybody.

Here we must answer an objection and reject a possible temptation: it is true the Resistance is very bad, but it is also true that the solution is not Bishop Fellay and his path to Modernism, and his way to the Conciliar Church..

[4] Given all these facts, it would be wrong (and I think it would be a sin) to remain silent. But one might say ad hominem: "Since you [Bishop Faure, Dom Thomas, Father Trincado] do not want to say [condemn] the errors of Bishop Williamson, at least keep quiet and do not defend him publicly; it would've been less unworthy. "

Let me explain more.

Regarding Bishop Williamson we have:

His many tricky and veiled manifestations in favor of the false Conciliar Church and the Religion of Vatican II.
His statements about keep going to false Rome.
His statements about making an agreement (a legal status, a canonical regularization, "is something very desirable").
His slyly manifestations in favor of the validity of the rite of modernist bishops, in favor of modernist bishops (when in fact there are serious doubts about the validity).
His outrageous statements saying that he needs to be named the authority of the Resistance by Francisco (Eleison Comments 420). Its manifestations saying he needs permission from Francisco to found a religious congregation.
His manifestations for the modern mass (go to her, the miracles of the modern Mass, the fruits of modern mass: the sanctuary of Poland ... towards the false religion of the II Vatican Council and to make ecumenism within the shrine - as has been published-).
His apparitionism, the visionary of Bishop Williamson, her messages. Maria Valtorta (condemned by the Holy Office), the [visionary] lady from United States, the apparitions of Akita, etc.
His praise of Putin (complete lack of common sense!: Putin, with Obama, are the two best managers or employees of the devil here on earth, to bring the World Government).

In short: The list is endless.

The above mentioned, completely disqualifies Bishop Williamson, and his public defense cannot be admitted, to the contrary.

This is all too severe, and these attitudes are too scandalous and incoherent as to keep quiet and not say anything.

"But we must defend the interests of group!, the interest of the party must prevail. And take note that the priests who oppose it [and we are almost half already], will be left alone, will be put aside, will be isolated, marginalized; they won't have a Bishop; their seminarians won't be ordained. "

[5] What is the tragedy we are living in this fight?

All this effort we make is so difficult to accomplish. It is an effort which costs us priests and faithful a lot (I'm not referring to economics, but the effort involved in this fight).

So, we are doing all this for nothing!, we'll fall for the same things as Bishop Fellay, Bishop Williamson leads us to the same. Attention: We are actually worse off than Bishop Fellay...

Yet with all the defense of the modern Mass and the "miracles" of Bishop Williamson, let's make an argument ad absurdum, an argument ad ridiculum:

Suppose Bishop Williamson had said in that conference in USA (also from Canada?), and also in the three or four Eleison Comments, that "there can be no miracles in the modern mass". Father Trincado with his Non possumus blog, Bishop Faure with his writings and sermons or the future Bishop Dom Thomas, would they be writing articles to justify the miracles of the modern mass? Would they be writing to defend the validity of the modern mass? Would they be writing to justify Bishop Williamson statements regarding going to the modern Mass? Would we be having all this fight against the priests who were opposing?

No; we can not remain silent; we must do something. May the Good God help us out of this swamp, where we were placed by who should have been light, but have only been and sown darkness.

I give you my priestly blessing. In Mary Most Holy.

Father F. Altamira (March 13th, 2016)

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LETTER TO BP. FAURE, FR. PIERRE-MARIE, FR. BRUNO

Bishop Faure,
Father Pierre-Marie,
Father Bruno (coordinator France).

Dear Bishop, dear Fathers:

I am writing regarding the information which has to do with Bishop Williamson, information I received just over a month ago, before I sent you my other letter.

I'd like to make it clear from the get go that I write with no bad spirit but with a "constructive" spirit. I do it because I think we have a problem on our hands, and if we do not give it a solution, this tiny thing we are (which some call it the Resistance) will eventually disappear and die. [...]
I said in another letter: The problems are already so many that the only "constructive" attitude is not to deny or excuse them, but address them. Perhaps they are the last opportunities Providence gives us to do it. We run the risk of not being honest with ourselves and our faithful.

Our fellow companions from the SSPX (priests, brothers) do not join us, "do not take the step", because they see the problems we have and then they don't think it is reasonable or sensible to join us. I do not know if you can say that maybe this is also happening with the Benedictines of Bellaigue or the Capuchins of Morgon; -there in France- you'll know more about them.

I have the impression, with all these things, Msgr. Fellay is "dying of laughter" because of us.

Dear brothers, please, let us solve these problems.

Cordially I send my greetings. In Mary Most Holy.

Father F. Altamira (Sunday September 6, 2015, Solemnity of St. Pius X)